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PaulKeeble 1 days ago [-]
A British Comedian called Jimmy Carr made the point that up to and including WW2 the Stasi in Germany was massive, it was a huge undertaking involving a massive percentage of the population just to monitor everyone and such a large organisation is going to have a lot of problems. That level of monitoring with todays cameras and software takes a tiny fraction of what it used to and can in many ways be more effective and its getting more effective with every advance in mass data processing and cheaper sensors.
Insanity 1 days ago [-]
Where did he make that point?
I’m seeing him live for the second time next month. Huge fan, he’s one of my favourite comedians. (Although his “autobiography” is not something I’d recommend, it’s essentially a self help book instead of biography).
Comedian indeed. There was no 'STASI' up to and including WW2. They got established in 1950, in what then became East Germany, or 'German Democratic Republic'(GDR). Which lasted until 1990. Allegedly. The Stasi I mean.
lofaszvanitt 19 hours ago [-]
It was 1-2% of the population. Who were snitching on the rest. I wonder what's the percentage now, in certain countries, cough cough...
plastic-enjoyer 1 days ago [-]
> A British Comedian called Jimmy Carr made the point that up to and including WW2 the Stasi in Germany was massive
What? The Stasi were an organization of the GDR, which was founded only after the end of WW2
bryanrasmussen 1 days ago [-]
watching the video he knows the Stasi is East Germany, and does not claim it was up to and including WW2
The article doesn't mention it, but I wonder if the author of this book discusses the economic value of data and/or data sovereignty. We live in an era were just a few nations (primarily the U.S.) dominate the international flow of information. Data has real, monetary value. Meta, Google, etc. can provide "free" services to entire countries based on the profits extracted from their data with money left over to pay employees, shareholders, and executives. Data is "exported" from nations all over the world, but it's value goes mostly untaxed. Any attempts to tax these companies usually provokes swift threats of tariffs or outright violence from the U.S. government.
This is not a situation that is likely to be stable long-term. As economic barriers go up and international trust breaks down, nations are bound to demand more sovereignty over their data and data networks are bound to splinter.
roenxi 1 days ago [-]
> Risam’s own concluding words hammer home how data confers more power on the already powerful, over and over again.
I think the insistence of the body politic on giving more power to the powerful is what drives this. Our ability to gather and organise data is just the limiting technical capability. Which is to say, the more data a central authority can process the more power it is capable of wielding.
Unclear why people are so sanguine about that whole issue given the 20th century, but here we are.
I’m seeing him live for the second time next month. Huge fan, he’s one of my favourite comedians. (Although his “autobiography” is not something I’d recommend, it’s essentially a self help book instead of biography).
What? The Stasi were an organization of the GDR, which was founded only after the end of WW2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWDCZIvLrS4&t=3682s
This is not a situation that is likely to be stable long-term. As economic barriers go up and international trust breaks down, nations are bound to demand more sovereignty over their data and data networks are bound to splinter.
I think the insistence of the body politic on giving more power to the powerful is what drives this. Our ability to gather and organise data is just the limiting technical capability. Which is to say, the more data a central authority can process the more power it is capable of wielding.
Unclear why people are so sanguine about that whole issue given the 20th century, but here we are.